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I got it.

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T snari concount untid happen.

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like

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Not a lot like

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Even if I don't know what it is, I know I saw it.

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Do you know what it's like to serve your country

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only to have someone come out and say, you're crazy?

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The Pentagon has confirmed the existence

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of the Advanced Aerospace Threat and Identification

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Program that studied UFOs, and they released video.

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So, you know, my gosh.

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For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO program

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for the US military.

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But in 2017, he quit in protest.

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I put my entire future on the line

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because I believe in what I believe in.

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Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders.

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Their mission, reveal what they say,

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is the truth about UFOs.

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US Aerospace is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin

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with advanced capabilities.

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This is real, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.

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I've seen too much.

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I've talked to too many people.

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I can't a good conscience just keep my head buried in the sand.

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So, while investigating the incident,

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we came across some information that leads us to believe

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that there may be a particular area,

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a rally point, so to speak,

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where some of these things are going.

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That's a big deal.

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At a minimum, we need to get down to that site

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and we need to figure out what's going on.

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Lou Elizondo is following an extraordinary break

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in his investigation into a major military UFO sighting

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off the West Coast.

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In the fall of 2004, two F-18 pilots from the USS Nimitz

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told Elizondo they came face to face

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with a bizarre, tig-tag-shaped object.

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Hi-G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration.

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We don't have that, you know, and I'm talking,

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we're flying one of the premier airplanes on the planet.

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But the incident wasn't an isolated event.

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A Navy technician revealed the craft

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allegedly traveled underwater

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at nearly two times the speed of the fastest U.S. submarine.

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According to one of the sonar guys,

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they were going 70-plus knots under the water.

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And another Navy radar specialist says he tracked

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as many as 100 of the strange craft for days.

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They fell off my radar envelope

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down off the coast of Baja, California.

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Okay.

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These things were going somewhere.

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I can tell you the Latin one.

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We now have a very good lead on a potential hotspot.

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What does that mean? I don't know what does it mean.

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Are these things, can you see them all the time

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flying around out there? Is it underwater?

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What about the locals?

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These are all other things now that we can use

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to help us start collecting additional data points

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and putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

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Hey, how are you, brother?

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Good, man. I'm pulling right up.

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Joining Elizondo is a new member of the investigation,

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who himself was a witness

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to the strange events of November 2004.

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Different people have different motivations

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for coming forward.

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These are soldiers or sailors

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who've been involved in something extraordinary.

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They're not quite sure what to make of it,

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but they want the truth to come out.

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How are you, my friend? Very good.

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How are things going? They're outstanding today.

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Sean Cahill served 20 years in the Navy.

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He was the top security officer on the USS Princeton,

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a missile cruiser in the USS Nimitz carrier strike group.

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Cahill was responsible for law and order aboard the ship

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and running counterterrorism patrols at sea.

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Tell me when this event began for you.

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We were told Nimitz has got something going on.

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They've got something in their airspace.

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Cahill is the fifth Navy witness

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to come forward.

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This is the first time he has spoken publicly

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about the events.

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We're getting calls up on the bridge

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to run out on the bridge wing

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and let us know if you see anything.

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And they'd give us an angle

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and they'd say, do you see anything out there?

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And a few times we even turned the ship.

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And I recall saying, what are we looking for?

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And I think that they were saying that Nimitz

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has got some strange contacts.

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They obviously had something on radar.

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They wanted us to see if we could put eyes on them.

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They wanted us to see if we could put eyes on them.

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They didn't tell us what we were looking for.

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We went out on the bridge wing

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and me and one of my lookouts were scanning the sky.

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What Cahill witnessed has haunted him for 15 years.

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So we were both looking up ahead about 45 degrees angle

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and there was a constellation of lights up there.

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Let me get this straight.

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You're looking up and you see these pattern of lights.

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They all changed positions.

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Some moving inward towards the center.

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Some moving outward but all rotating.

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As it rotated, some of the lights disappeared.

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And then they were gone.

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I didn't see a trail.

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I didn't see any effect.

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It was just there was a light there

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and then there was no longer a light there.

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But the night was clear.

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This was not stars being occluded by clouds.

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That was when I got, as I get the goosebumps right now,

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I got really interested in what was going on.

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What the hell is this?

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Cahill is the first eyewitness to describe this approach.

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He's the first eyewitness to describe this abrupt

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and extraordinary movement of multiple craft.

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If Princeton had it on the radar,

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why isn't this on the news every night

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that something we don't understand is present in our atmosphere

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coming and going as it pleases

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with absolute impunity over our military?

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Cahill's account bolsters the testimony

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of his shipmate Kevin Day.

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The next morning I wouldn't check my email

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and I had a video from the Black Acid Squadron.

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I was having a breakfast to talk to Kevin Day

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and another Chief Petty Officer who's a radar operator.

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And I said to them, what was going on last night?

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And the Chief grunted at me,

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go look at your email.

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I go in the back and I log on and there's the video.

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The next morning Cahill and Day

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watched a longer version of this video

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captured by an F-18s camera.

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It's the same video that wouldn't be seen again

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until more than a decade later

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and the video helped get it released to the public in 2017.

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Every night we would have an operations intelligence briefing.

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So I kind of smirk and I walk in

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because I'm like, wow, maybe we're going to hear something.

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Maybe we're going to find out what was going on.

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Now as they start the briefing,

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the young officer in charge gave the little nod

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to the person running the computer in the next slide.

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And as they hit the space bar,

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a caricature of a flying saucer

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with a little green alien moves across the screen.

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The room erupts in laughter and that was it.

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Captain said, well, we all, we had a little bit of fun.

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I guess you guys were chasing something around.

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If that's over now, let's get on with the briefing.

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I'm an intel guy.

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It's not uncommon that if you have a person

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in a particular position of trust

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and you want to keep them quiet,

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that ridicule can be used as some sort of leverage.

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Nobody raised an eyebrow and it didn't seem like anybody cared.

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We weren't even told not to talk about it.

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And that was one of the things that struck me as being...

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How do I put it?

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De-legitimized the experience.

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And I got to a point where I pretended like it didn't happen,

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to be honest with you.

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Someone tells you something you encountered is not real

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and that you're crazy.

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And you got nowhere to go.

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Finally, after 15 years of carrying this secret around,

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somebody was paying attention.

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It was real and other people experienced it too.

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And he wasn't going crazy.

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How we doing, brother?

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Morning. How you doing?

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You know, any day above ground is a good day.

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Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

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I've asked Sean to come with us on this trip.

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He is a trained investigator, knows how to ask the right questions.

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He also has personal investment in it.

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I think Sean would like some answers himself.

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Keahill is joining Elizondo on a mission to Mexico,

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following a lead from a Navy radar operator.

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Kevin Day provided us a completely new piece of the puzzle we never had before.

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Day provided the coordinates where he says a fleet of UFOs disappeared off Navy radar.

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We can actually now go to the location

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and we can try to figure out if there's any type of correlation at all.

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My hope is to hear what people have to say, if anything,

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if they have anything to provide, I want to be able to hear it myself.

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Lou Elizondo has asked former Navy law enforcement officer Sean Keahill

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to join his UFO investigation to Mexico.

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They're following a lead provided by Keahill shipmate Kevin Day.

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These things were going somewhere.

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They fell off my radar envelope down off the coast of Baja, California.

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I can tell you they're Latin long.

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The coordinates lead here, a small remote Mexican island called Guadalupe.

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What I'd really like to see is for us to take the event from 2004

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and to show if this phenomenon has continued post-2004.

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This is a part of the Nimitz story that not only has never been told,

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it has never really been explored.

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In order to keep his work for the military's UFO unit secret,

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Elizondo couldn't interview civilian witnesses.

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I think there's goodness in casting a wide net,

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trying to get as many people that we can to come on record and tell us what they've seen.

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My frustration when I was an ATIP was I was always stuck focusing only on military individuals.

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This is the first time you've been able to not hide.

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I hate to put it that way, but you don't have to hide behind anything.

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You can ask the questions now.

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The journey to Guadalupe Island starts here.

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Ensenada, Mexico is a major hub for commercial and tourist fishing.

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Elizondo and Keahill want to know if locals here have seen strange things in the sky.

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I'm used to speaking with military people who are experts,

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but I think in the end it comes down to sheer volume and commonalities.

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If you have people that are both trained observers and untrained observers telling you the same thing,

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there is a really good possibility that they are both describing a similar event.

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They've teamed up with Jordi Librija, a Mexican journalist who says he's heard stories

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about unexplained sightings in Baja, California for years.

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So Jordi, who's the gentleman we're going to be meeting today?

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Librija is a pilot and he does a lot of flights to Guadalupe,

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and he has seen crazy things as well.

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Librija set up a meeting with a commercial pilot,

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who spots bluefin tuna for fishermen between the Baja coast and Guadalupe.

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That's his plane.

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It's a fill-up.

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172?

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Yes.

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What year?

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83.

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Wow.

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Beautiful, beautiful bird.

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Adrián Ojeda has spent 18 years flying over these waters,

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but it only took a few seconds to change everything he knew about aviation.

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Thank you again for your time and for your courage to come forward.

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Thank you because this is something like, I don't tell not too many people

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because they think you're crazy or you're yours, you know, but so yeah.

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Please, start from the beginning.

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It was January 30, 2015, around three o'clock in the afternoon.

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This is the first time Ojeda has gone on record about the strange object he saw.

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So he was coming around 23 miles south of Ensenada.

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On the afternoon of January 30, 2015,

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Ojeda says he was flying over the Pacific.

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Just 20 miles northeast from where two U.S. Navy pilots from the USS Nimitz

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intercepted a Tic Tac-shaped UFO 11 years earlier.

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Can you give me a rough understanding of size, shape, color?

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I thought at the beginning it was just a ball, but when it goes so close, it was like this form.

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Did you notice if it had any windows, if it had wings, no flight surfaces?

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No windows, no wings, no nothing.

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Smooth.

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Smooth and clean, yeah.

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Ojeda says the object moved erratically, unlike any aircraft he had ever seen.

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When you see an airplane, it goes straight, you know, but this was kind of like...

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He also believes the object reacted to his presence.

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It was so far away. I just turned the lights, and as soon as I turned the lights, it was...

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Right at you.

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Straight to me.

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So it was...

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Around 10 miles, yeah?

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10 miles, and then you kick on the lights, and all of a sudden...

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Three seconds.

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Three seconds.

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Three seconds, yeah.

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Like that.

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Fire.

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As he turned on his lights, Ojeda says the object flew straight at him at 12,000 miles an hour,

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one more than 15 times the speed of sound.

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This pilot really reinforced some of the observables that we've already noticed before.

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According to Elizondo, his secret Pentagon investigation catalogued a set of five incredible capabilities the UFOs shared.

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He calls them the observables.

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Instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocities, just really bizarre behavior,

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something that you would not expect a traditional aircraft to be able to do.

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Were there any other reports by any other pilots in the area that day of anything strange in the air that you're aware of?

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Not that I know.

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I'm in international waters. Sometimes I see the carriers in the F-18.

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You see those kind of airplanes.

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In no way, it was an airplane.

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Ojeda's 2015 account has an eerie similarity to the U.S. Navy's 2004 Tic Tac incident.

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All of a sudden it goes, boop, and it kind of turns.

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We're like, okay, now it knows we're here.

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He just rapidly accelerates beyond anything that I've ever seen, crosses my nose, and it's gone.

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Have the same craft been flying off the Baja Coast for years?

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The Baja California Peninsula is known across Mexico as a hotspot for UFO sightings.

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I think we're going to go now.

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We're going to go.

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Go, go, go.

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For decades, local fishermen have reported strange luminescent objects over the Pacific Ocean.

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It's our understanding that you may have seen something very interesting in the water.

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Yes, a very strong light that lighted us like this.

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And in seconds it also disappeared.

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Quickly.

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We were in a kind of sphere.

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It looked like a silver-plated color, more or less.

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We saw that light and from there it shot itself.

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99% of all reported sightings have a rational explanation.

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Typically these are things that are man-made or some sort of weather phenomena or atmospheric anomaly.

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So it's imperative we keep a critical eye on every report.

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The fishermen may not be trained military observers,

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but they all have similar accounts of spherical objects flying in ways they can't explain.

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And one part of their story stands out.

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We saw something that fell down, separated, and suddenly it sank into the water.

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In the water.

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Yeah.

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Good morning.

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Llewella Zondo and Shawn Cahill are in Mexico,

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investigating one of the most important UFO incidents in the history of the U.S. military.

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The 2004 USS Nimitz encounter.

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Very nice to meet you, sir. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

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They're interviewing local fishermen who have seen strange things in the sky and under the water.

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From our understanding you may have some interesting information regarding strange things in or near the water.

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Lights. Lights that are under water.

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Lights that come out of the sea.

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Same thing, lights coming out of the water and moving.

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Fishermen seeing lights under the water, lights underneath their boat,

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things coming out of the sky and floating and hovering above the water,

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and then splashing into the water.

321
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I was struck by some of the similarities, in particular with the Nimitz incident.

322
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In 2004, the Navy pilot who intercepted a Tic Tac shaped UFO

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first saw churning water below the craft.

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My heart sank. There was something in the water.

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And a Navy radar technician says his ship tracked the Tic Tac shaped object,

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moving under water at a high rate of speed.

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Went from 30,000 feet down to sea level and sonar said they got a hit.

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They pretty much just went wherever they wanted.

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The ability to seamlessly move through water, air and space,

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known as TransMedium Travel, is one of the five observables

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Elizondo's secret Pentagon program identified.

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These objects seem to be seen a lot around large bodies of water.

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Let's get him back here.

334
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What if I want him?

335
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These folks for the most part are not necessarily trained observers,

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but they do know the ocean very well.

337
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And a lot of them are reporting some pretty interesting and, in my opinion,

338
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pretty compelling things.

339
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That's like a Tic Tac, dude.

340
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Let me ask you, where were you when you saw this?

341
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Guadalupe.

342
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Conta Norte in Isla Guadalupe.

343
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Isla Guadalupe.

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The fishermen all point toward one location,

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Guadalupe Island, where senior Navy radar specialist Kevin Day told Elizondo

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a fleet of UFOs had disappeared off his radar in 2004.

347
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Tenaude's right here. This is the bay right here.

348
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Okay, we've got Guadalupe down here.

349
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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven different unique incidences.

350
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We've got some amazing data here.

351
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Definitely hotspot.

352
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Guadalupe is calling us.

353
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Guadalupe lies 150 miles off the Baja California coast.

354
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The sparsely populated island is home to a Mexican military weather station

355
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and is surrounded by a restricted marine refuge area,

356
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teaming with great white sharks.

357
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The next logical step is to get out there and see for ourselves,

358
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is there anything unique, is there anything underneath the ocean,

359
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the topography, is there anything strange and weird?

360
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We've got to get out there.

361
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I think by going to Guadalupe, we stand to gain more clarity.

362
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Hopefully we can collect some good information.

363
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But matters what the facts of the data say.

364
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That's the pursuit that's what drives me every single day.

365
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We'll probably do about six and a half knots.

366
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Yeah.

367
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You're looking at 175 nautical miles out to where we need to be.

368
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It's going to take us a good 25 hours to get out there.

369
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When was the last time you were in these waters?

370
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You know, I have to do the math on it, but I was in these waters for a number of years.

371
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Over the course of 2004, all the way to 2007, on and off.

372
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Wow.

373
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Yeah, this is where the United States Navy on the West Coast does a great deal of their training.

374
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We've heard so much about this Guadalupe Island.

375
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I hope we get a chance to talk to as many people as we can, talk to other fishermen,

376
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talk to anybody who's willing to come out and meet us and have a conversation.

377
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I kind of want to consider some of the information that we picked up.

378
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We had circular, spherical objects described.

379
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I hesitate to say saucer, but a lenticular shape.

380
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We had luminous.

381
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Right.

382
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Different colors of luminosity.

383
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And we had objects that flew, objects that hovered, and objects that went into the water.

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And in some cases, objects that came from the deep up to the surface of the water,

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i.e. rings of light.

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Unidentified submerged objects, known as USOs,

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have been reported around the world by civilians.

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and military witnesses for decades.

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Allied warships taking part in exercise men's breaths provided a formidable spectacle.

390
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In 1952, military personnel taking part in a large-scale NATO exercise off Denmark

391
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reported seeing strange round craft flying above and below the water.

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The incidents made international headlines.

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And ever since, USOs have become part of UFO lore.

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We know that there is a geomagnetic anomaly just north of the island, and it is significant.

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Adding to the mystery surrounding Guadalupe,

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a variation in the Earth's magnetic field, known as a magnetic anomaly,

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lies just off the island's northern coast.

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When you look at the map, there are no magnetic anomalies anywhere within hundreds and hundreds of miles

399
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of that island except two hotspots.

400
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Could that have anything to do with what we're seeing? We don't know.

401
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I think we owe it to ourselves to collect more data.

402
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I think it's in our DNA to always search and find the truth, whatever that truth is.

403
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Lou was someone who had come into this issue very skeptical and came out of it

404
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almost a religious believer that, wow, this stuff is really happening.

405
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These are really credible reports from pilots, from other people that are not wacky.

406
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He became someone who felt that it was his job to try and get more senior leaders

407
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and the Pentagon to pay attention to this.

408
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Eventually, maybe get the public to pay attention.

409
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The team is finally approaching Guadalupe, where US Navy and Mexican eye witnesses

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say something strange is in the air, or under the water, or both.

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That's amazing.

412
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Thirty miles away, you can see that thing.

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After 20 hours on the open water, Lou Elizondo and Sean Cahill have arrived at Guadalupe Island,

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where a US Navy radar specialist reported a fleet of strange craft

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disappeared off his radar scopes during the 2004 USS Nimitz UFO event.

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This is the land that time forgot for sure.

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It's just incredible.

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Guadalupe was formed millions of years ago when two volcanoes erupted on the ocean floor.

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Today it's a marine refuge and access is strictly controlled by the Mexican government.

420
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As foreigners, the team can't step foot on its shores.

421
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Good morning, sir.

422
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But they found a group of fishermen who've seen things they can't explain.

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How fast did it take off?

424
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Wow.

425
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Look over there.

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You can see a gold-colored ball.

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He said it was kind of like a ball, like a chrome ball.

428
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When it started moving, it started moving.

429
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It's a sphere.

430
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What color?

431
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White, like lead, light, lead.

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These fishermen had never heard of the Nimitz incident,

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but their accounts are similar to the US Navy witnesses.

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When you come back from fishing and someone sees something like this,

435
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do they make fun of the person when they tell this story?

436
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Most of the people have seen strange things happening, so they take it very seriously.

437
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The fishermen take them to the island's rocky north coast,

438
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where most of the sightings have occurred.

439
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It's also where a magnetic anomaly lies deep under the ocean.

440
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I've never seen anything like this.

441
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Elisando and Cahill want to know if the strange sightings

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could have a scientific explanation.

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Mauricio Hoyos is a world-renowned marine biologist.

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We know your time is valuable. Thank you very much for spending with us.

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Hoyos has been studying gold,

446
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and documented what is believed to be the largest great white ever captured on film.

447
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We are here because several people have reported very interesting phenomena

448
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in the sky and even underwater,

449
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and we wanted to get your scientific knowledge of these waters.

450
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Well, La Loupe is a very interesting phenomenon.

451
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It's a phenomenon that's been used in the past,

452
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and it's been used in the past,

453
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and it's been used in the past.

454
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Well, La Loupe is a very important place.

455
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Actually, it's the best place to see white sharks in the world.

456
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The visibility of the water is more than 100 feet,

457
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and sometimes you get to see more than 33 sharks in one day.

458
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How come that these white sharks can't find this island in the middle of nowhere?

459
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And we think that they have these sensors, they are called the Apil of Lorenzini,

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and they can detect the electromagnetic field of the earth,

461
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so we think that they use that in order to get here.

462
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Oyoz believes great white sharks have a special ability to detect electromagnetic signals,

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which helps them migrate to the island each year.

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I was talking with one of the captains,

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and he told me that every time that they are coming to La Loupe,

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he can see that the compass is like moving awkward.

467
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,840
That's interesting.

468
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Is there bioluminescence in these waters?

469
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They're actually very close to the shore.

470
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Bioluminescence is a natural phenomenon found in oceans all over the world.

471
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It occurs when a chemical reaction in sea life emits light.

472
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Could this explain the luminescent objects in the water the fishermen of Guadalupe are seeing?

473
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Okay, so do you ever see bioluminescence in circular patterns,

474
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almost like a spotlight coming out of the water?

475
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,840
No.

476
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,840
You have a small submersible, right?

477
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,840
So there's lights on it, I'm sure, for navigation?

478
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Yes.

479
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Could fishermen around the island mistake your submersible for a light under the water?

480
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,840
We have had submersibles just in 2008, and I need a special permit for that.

481
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840
If the submersible is here, the big bolt has to be here.

482
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Okay, so you have a boat nearby, so it's not isolated out in the middle of the ocean.

483
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,840
Exactly.

484
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,840
According to Oyo's, there is nothing he knows that can explain what the fishermen of Guadalupe are seeing.

485
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
You are a scientist and trained observer.

486
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,840
In our book, that's as good as it gets.

487
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:14,840
So hearing from you anything that you'd be willing to share with us would be immensely important.

488
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Is there anything you have seen that has been unusual?

489
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Yeah.

490
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And I thought that it was a hallucination, but my captain and I, we saw the same thing.

491
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840
We have lots of reports from fishermen around the island.

492
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,840
Is there anything that you have seen that has been unusual?

493
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,840
Yeah.

494
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And I thought that it was a hallucination, but my captain and I, we saw the same thing.

495
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Lou Elizondo and Shawn Cahill are more than 100 miles off the coast of Mexico,

496
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,840
where a fleet of UFOs fell off US Navy radar during the USS Nimitz incident in 2004.

497
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,840
In 2006, we started to track White Sharks for 24 hours.

498
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Marine biologist Mauricio Oyo's has spent years collecting data on Great White Sharks,

499
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,840
but he can't explain what he saw early one morning in 2006.

500
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,840
It was like 6 a.m. and we were coming to the north and then I saw, in that mountain,

501
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840
I saw a little light, like a little sphere.

502
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,840
I thought that it was a star, but suddenly it moved.

503
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,840
I thought, oh my God, I didn't sleep and maybe I am looking something that is not real.

504
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840
And then my captain asked me, did you see that?

505
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Could you actually see an object or was it more the light that you could see?

506
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,840
No, it was a very bright object.

507
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
It was like a sphere, I mean a perfect sphere.

508
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Like maybe two seconds?

509
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Two seconds.

510
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Two seconds we didn't see anything.

511
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
So it didn't just disappear?

512
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,840
No, it moved.

513
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,840
Yeah, very fast.

514
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

515
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,840
Very, very fast.

516
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,840
I know time is limited, sun is going to be going down.

518
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Don't want to take much more of your time.

519
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,840
I've been super, super helpful.

520
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,840
Thank you so much.

521
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,840
You're very welcome.

522
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,840
It has been an absolute pleasure.

523
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,840
Thank you.

524
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,840
That's amazing.

525
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:28,840
As far back as 2009, the Pacific Ocean off Baja California was identified by Elizondo's Pentagon program as part of a global pattern of UFO hotspots.

526
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:37,840
After days on the open water interviewing multiple civilian witnesses, Elizondo now has evidence of a continuing UFO presence in the area.

527
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,840
The trip to the Huayla Lupa Island was very well worth while.

528
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:49,840
The eyewitness testimony from folks from the Nimitz, he just rapidly accelerates beyond anything that I've ever seen and it's gone.

529
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840
It was cooperated by civilians.

530
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,840
So between Huayla Lupa Island and Ensenada, seems to be a real hotspot.

531
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,840
When you look at the data, the Nimitz was not an isolated event.

532
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,840
In fact, the Nimitz may have just happened to trip over one of these hotspots when they were doing their maneuvers out there.

533
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840
It's one of the pieces to the puzzle.

534
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
But we would be remiss if we consider it the whole puzzle.

535
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,840
It's not.

536
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840
The mission to Huayla Lupa Island provided valuable new information.

537
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
But for Elizondo and Cahill, the journey was also personal.

538
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:36,840
Being part of that incident on the USS Nimitz and now being here 14 years later, right, some time, talk about a cold case, what's it like?

539
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,840
I gotta be honest with you, man.

540
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,840
I did get why people don't come forward because it's isolating.

541
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840
There were 5,000 people on Nimitz.

542
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,840
How many people saw it and aren't willing to come forward?

543
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,840
I know what I saw.

544
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Even if I don't know what it is, I know I saw it.

545
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Like, it was on tape, it was on radar.

546
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,840
I mean, that boosts me.

547
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,840
We don't have all the answers yet.

548
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,840
But we know it's real.

549
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,840
This had affected Sean profoundly.

550
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,840
He didn't talk about it much because quite frankly, he thought it was a real thing.

551
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Because quite frankly, he thought people were going to look at him like he was crazy.

552
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Do you know what it's like to serve your country, to swear an oath of loyalty, only to have someone come out and say, you're crazy?

553
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,840
You know, you.

554
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840
I've spent my life living in the shadows.

555
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,840
I put myself out there, voluntarily.

556
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,840
So I've got no one to blame but me.

557
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,840
I have people who question my credibility at every turn.

558
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,840
I want so badly to show people what I've seen and what I know.

559
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,840
But I can't because I have a non-disclosure agreement with the U.S. government.

560
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,840
It's very frustrating for me because I know this is real.

561
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,840
When you look at some of the other incidents over time that we collected back in ATIP,

562
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,840
we continue to see the same pattern over and over and over again.

563
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Elizondo is back in the States, briefing the team on his trip to Mexico.

564
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,840
More people are bringing information and cases to us, military and civilian people.

565
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,840
And I think this kind of data and information is beginning to make a difference as we're bringing it forward.

566
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,840
As former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon knows how difficult it is

567
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,840
for military personnel to come forward with stories of UFO encounters.

568
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Those people in the military at these lower-level operational ranks are also swimming upstream,

569
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,840
trying to get people's attention and say, hey, we've got a genuine issue here, people, we need to take action.

570
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,840
And I'm delighted that we're able to assist them in doing that.

571
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,840
But it's not only the military personnel involved in the incidents who have been silenced.

572
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,840
I would much rather put this behind me, but the problem is I've seen too much.

573
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,840
I've talked to too many people. I have too many reports. I know it's real.

574
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,840
I can't a good consciousness keep my head buried in the sand.

575
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,840
I had to leave the very job that I love to get my point across.

576
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,840
The trip to Mexico was a bit of a revelation for us.

577
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Certainly when I was an ATIP, there was no way I would have been able to go into a foreign country

578
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,840
and start asking questions about this thing. There's no way that would have happened.

579
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,840
Lou Elizondo has new evidence that he believes confirms an ominous pattern.

580
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:44,840
The Pacific Ocean off Southern California in Mexico is a hotspot for unidentified craft with incredible capabilities.

581
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,840
If it's okay with you, I'm going to go ahead and provide you his information.

582
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,840
The newfound freedom to bring information directly to the public is a victory for Elizondo.

583
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,840
ATIP had a small group of allies, but equally there was a small group of people

584
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,840
who were diametrically opposed and became increasingly vocal about their opposition to what we were doing.

585
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,840
Elizondo spent 10 years studying reports of military encounters with UFOs.

586
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:20,840
But according to Elizondo, getting anyone inside the Pentagon to pay attention to what he was finding was a daily struggle.

587
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840
This intelligence officer worked closely with Elizondo at the Pentagon

588
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,840
and saw firsthand the challenges he faced.

589
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,840
When I found out Lou was resigning, I was personally very upset.

590
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,840
This is my friend, my co-worker, a mentor, somebody that I truly believed in.

591
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Because she continues to work for the Department of Defense, she wants to remain anonymous.

592
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,840
Lou sees things in patterns.

593
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Atty sees the analytic piece behind putting all of this puzzle together and what the various outcomes could be.

594
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:05,840
Unfortunately, he had to work through layers of bureaucracy that he would only read about in 1960s Russia.

595
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,840
It doesn't matter what administration it is, it doesn't matter who's in charge,

596
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,840
it's just, oh, this is going to get very messy very quickly.

597
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840
I'm going to pass it along.

598
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840
The government, I believe, doesn't know what to do.

599
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,840
They don't know how to address this.

600
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,840
Help us understand how is it that the people who are entrusted with some of the most dangerous missions,

601
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,840
when they write a report that that has not taken seriously.

602
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,840
If you're pursuing this and very vocal and very public about it, you want to have a career.

603
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,840
And that's been stated, it's been proven, there is no question that it's dangerous.

604
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:50,840
Are you scared yourself about your own career and your own proximity to this issue?

605
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Not going to answer that question.

606
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,840
Fear of being called crazy wasn't the only roadblock to getting Pentagon leadership to care about the issue.

607
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Some officials that I talked to told me that they thought there was resistance in the Pentagon on religious grounds.

608
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:16,840
That effectively you had some senior officers who were Christians who thought looking into this kind of voodoo stuff was dangerous.

609
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,840
I was pulled into the office of one of these seniors.

610
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840
The senior looked at me in the eye and said, I want this program to stop.

611
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,840
He said, well, okay, but what's the rationale?

612
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:33,840
And he said, well, what you're looking at is something that is a demonic presence.

613
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:44,840
There's a faction in the government high up in the Pentagon of religious fundamentalists who are concerned that anything paranormal or supernatural is demonic in origin.

614
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,840
That flying saucers represent demons.

615
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,840
That if you study this, that you're inviting the devil and Satan into your world.

616
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,840
You're telling me to ignore it because it goes against your philosophical belief system.

617
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,840
Well, that's the same thing I faced in Afghanistan and in the Middle East.

618
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,840
There's no difference.

619
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,840
Only you're wearing a three-piece suit and they're carrying a Kalashnikov.

620
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,840
So I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

621
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:18,840
Elizondo says his superior's religious beliefs hindered his mission to get the government to take UFOs seriously.

622
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:27,840
But he and other government insiders, including former presidential advisor John Podesta, believe the larger political culture is to blame.

623
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:35,840
There's a natural tendency to just kind of sweep the question away and to avoid the taboo.

624
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:47,840
We've created a culture where you really can't do what any scientist would want to do, any skeptic in the best sense of the word saying, well, maybe we ought to know about it.

625
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,840
So imagine this for a moment.

626
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,840
Your job is to give the boss recommended solutions.

627
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Imagine going now to the boss.

628
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Sir, we have something.

629
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,840
We don't know what it is.

630
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,840
We don't know how it works.

631
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,840
We don't know who's behind the wheel.

632
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,840
We don't know what their intentions are.

633
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,840
And by the way, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

634
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:20,840
By 2017, Elizondo had become so concerned that whatever these craft were, the U.S. military had no way to defend itself against their advanced technology.

635
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,840
So he tried to send a warning up the chain of command.

636
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:33,840
I realized that none of the information and developments that we had in our program in ATIP was being communicated to the Secretary of Defense.

637
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Elizondo believed the threat was so great that it required the attention of then Secretary of Defense James Mattis.

638
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:52,840
There are five people I can count on this hand that if they were to call me at four o'clock in the morning, I would put my boots on and I'd go to war with them.

639
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,840
Secretary Mattis is number one.

640
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,840
He is truly one of the greatest Americans I've ever had the honor and pleasure to serve with and for.

641
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:13,840
Despite being one of the military's most experienced counterintelligence operatives, even fighting alongside Mattis in Afghanistan in the months after 9-11, every attempt to get a meeting with the Secretary of Defense was thwarted.

642
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,840
In this particular case, you had a lot of people that were worried about their political careers.

643
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,840
I attended some meetings that Lou was present at, trying to see how he could be helpful.

644
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,840
And this actually led to meetings with these senior people who were very close to General Mattis.

645
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,840
And they were very sympathetic, but they did not see a way ahead.

646
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,840
They did not see how they could get this by the Praetorian Guard around the Secretary.

647
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,840
This is a man who's responsible for the safety and security of our country.

648
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:48,840
And if you don't give him the information he needs, that is ammunition in order for him to make a right decision.

649
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Despite our best efforts, we were not successful in actually getting this issue in front of the Secretary and letting him evaluate the evidence himself.

650
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:06,840
We've got a problem internally. We've got blinders on. And if we've got blinders on, baby, you're going to get blindsided.

651
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,840
On the next, on Identified.

652
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,840
There's a whole fleet of them, what come ASA? You know those voices?

653
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,840
We're just trying to figure out what were the objects that we saw.

654
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,840
I've always kind of been somewhat skeptical. I'm a lot more convinced now these vehicles do exist.

655
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,840
It was basically a cube inside of a sphere.

656
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,840
Over 60 people have seen these things.

657
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:36,840
If people in the DC area knew within minutes of their location these unidentified vehicles are operating,

658
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,840
I think they would say, isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?